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. a former deputy attorney general during the george w. bush administration. live coverage when it gets underway here on c-span. while we wait for that to get underway, a discussion from this morning's "washington journal." >> joining us to continue on a discussion about the health care law. joining us for the discussion, senior health correspondent. welcome. >> what is the latest? but unfortunately the sub contractors that runs the data hub had an outage last night. it was still down this morning. i checked before i arrived. yet another woe in the long saga that has dogged the website. there was a congressional hearing last night. they recommended more testing earlier. talked about how federal officials decided to turn off of browsing function that required a double make accounts. that created a backlog. a lot of attention and focus on the website. www.c-span.orghost: you get the homepage and then i was able to set up an account. i will give that a try. got a message the website was down. >> the smiling girl on the website, a story about that now missing as well. >> she is gone and hav
eight years to 2005 when george w. bush was president and there are a number of nominees to the court that democrats were objecting to, very conservative nominees and there was a big stand still there. there is ultimately a compromise in those judges were confirmed, do we expect that it is going to end up where there will be a compromise here? >> well, that's the issue, i think that for the republican party, right? coming off the shutdown that we just had, the whole government shutdown issue, the republican party took a lot of hits for being obstructionists and unreasonable, and i think the white house and democrats can portray this as another round of that. it will be tough for the republicans. the republicans on their hand, they think this is a -- this is where you draw the ideological lines. these fights for these judges are where a lot of the social battles happen, as you're talking about with the birth control things, things like that. you get the judges in there, that's where you do the actual social conservatism you want to do on the judge level. they try to put those guys in t
. everybody has forgotten, by the way, that when president george w. bush, a republican, put that medicare part d drug program in, it was more unpopular than the health care law and they had terrible problems with the computers. >> congresswoman, it was eight years ago that the federal government rolled out medicare part d, a prescription drug benefit, and it was the first time that medicare was launching into this exclusive private health insurance plan. only 21% of americans at that time had a favorable understanding of what medicare part d was and now people would think they couldn't live without it. without proper enhancements as we live and learn. so do you think as we stand right now with the fact that the president was re-elected on obama care and it passed both houses and also vetted through the supreme court, do you believe that all americans deserve access to affordable health care? >> absolutely every american should have access to affordable health care. every american should be able to provide that for their families. but you know when we're comparing medicare part d to this m
suggests that george w. bush tapped the phones of world leaders? >> when did this start? >> four or five years ago. >> 2002. >> 2002. >> the tapping of foreign leaders. >> yes. so you have to apply the same questions to president bush, first of all, whether they do or do not know. i think barnacle brought up the biggest point and that is the nsa overreaching in its power, is this something people want done but they don't want to hear about it. you got to look at that part of it too because we can apply this to a couple of different issues that we complained about or argued about on our set about the conduct of the bush administration. but i would say that most importantly, the important disconnect that i think is happening in this story is that people are thinking that like someone is sitting there listening to her conversations. the phone calls are being monitored. that's different than tapping the phone. >> this is gene. i did write about it this morning. >> i was reading that. >> that the nsa is out of control. >> yes. >> some of us do think the nsa is out of control and some of us th
deeming it unconstitutional. the judge appointed by george w. bush blocked texas from enforcing restriction that would have required doctors performing abortions to have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital. had the requirement gone into effect it could force clinics to close. the act is without a rational basis, the judge wrote and places a substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion. "new york times" hailed the judge's decision as a victory for reproductive rights. if it was a victory, it was a lopsided one. in the judge's ruling he also let stand a provision that restricts choice by requiring doctors to use a specific drug protocol and medication, the medication-induced abortions. a protocol doctors and medical experts and american college of object descriptions and gynecologists updated. texas announced they would appeal the decision and would go to the staunchly conservative fifth court of appeals. according to "the new york times" even the judge acknowledged the limits of his ruling. quote, at the end of the day, these issues are going to be decide
, and be quiet. mark thiessen is a former speech writer for president george w. bush. now a vast majority can keep it and for the pesky 5% that keep complaining, just enjoy obama care. why do you keep complaining? >> the vast majority. he didn't say the vast majority in 2009. he said if you like your plan, you get to keep it, no matter what, period. this wu an exercise in dishonesty and revisionist history. do you remember george w. bush's famous 16 words on iraq? barack obama has 16 words he needs to answer for. if you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. those 16 words, he lied us into obama care. >> you feel this was no accident? i know you believe it was a lie. >> yes. >> you believe it was intentional, designed because they knew all along that this is going to happen in the market and they needed it. >> absolutely. he almost admitted it. he said today, quote, if you are getting one of the letters, cancellation letters, just join obama care. first of all, you can't because the website doesn't work. if you could, that was their plan all along. the pro
on the show. >> george w. bush, we were talking about the yesterday, did george w. bush cap -- >> did the bush administration do this type of a baum dream. >>. >> of course, we did. again, i will not get into any specifics here. but this is normal behavior between nation states. this is an "r" rated movie. this is how adult nations treat each other. it's fully accepted. let me give you a concrete example. remember president obama was kind of wetted to his blackberry when he was coming into office. folks like me were saying, this is a big deal, we thought we worked out a compromise, nsa threw a couple defensive tools into the blackberry. now he uses his blackberry. let me give you the backdrop to that story, joe, mika. the most powerful man on earth, the most powerful man in the most powerful nation on earth was just told that his communications were susceptible to intercept by dozens of foreign embassies inside his own national capitol. we didn't render garments. we didn't protest. we realized. that's the way things are. >> you aren't shocked by angela merkel's phone being monitored? >> no. >>
george w. bush was trying to appoint to the court. the fact is right now by law there are three empty seats there and democrats say that's what the president's job is to do is to fill the empty seats. >> you would hope he would talk a broader look at where there are judicial emergencies because of heavy case loads and lack of judges both at the trial court and the appellate level. but it is clear that you are right, there has been a bipartisan-ship when it comes to dealing with this. the democrats blocked george w. bush's nominee. they say there was not enough work to do. the work lead has gone down since that time. the senator has a sensible piece of legislation that would transfer these seats to other places in the country where they have a very heavy case load. at a time when the budgets are tight and we are looking for places to save it seems to me using these judge usa pointed by president obama -- appointed by president obama by the way and in other places they are needed makes sense. >> you mentioned judicial emergencies and just so people understand there are federal circuits
that targeted world leaders when he took over the white house from president george w. bush. they say he also would have been told which countries were being targeted in those brifings, but then senior official still insists to cnn that president obama didn't learn until recently. so which of these sources are telling the truth? jim sciutto is out front. >> reporter: administration officials tell cnn the spying of loaders of close allies such as german chancellor angela mergle took place bout president obama's knowledge. a senior official says it's not reasonable to expect that the president would have been involved in or necessarily briefed on decisions about individual intelligence targets. in an interview at the fusion cable network president obama says his administration is reviewing the way it collects intelligence. >> what we've seep over the last several years is their capaci capacities continue to develop and expand. and that's why we're initiating a review that what they're able to do doesn't mean that's what they should be doing. the national security operations generally have one p
the american enterprise institute and speech writer for president george w. bush. this is it. it is one thing to say -- he said they were going to get to keep their plans, period. now this regulation shows that months after obama care was passed, july, it passed in march. july or before, i should say. they knew. they were estimating internally in the administration ten million people will lose insurance. >> you've got the smoking gun in your hand. they knew. when president obama looked the american people in the eye and said if you like your health insurance, you can keep your current plan, period, no matter what, that was a bald-faced lie. he intended -- in fact, i think they intended for these people to lose their health insurance. the reason for that is -- as you pointed out -- it will be up to 14 million people. why do they want them to lose insurance? they need them to move into the exchanges to subsidize poor people. the individual mandate is the most lucrative part -- excuse me, the individual market is the most lucrative segment of the health insurance industry because they don't use
campaigns and matt political director of george w. bush. how are you doing, gentle. matt, liberal legacy on the line. krauthammer puts the bar that high, what do you think? >> it is hard to disagree with charles. it is a policy that swallowed a presidency. everything that the obama care looms over the president so and he's at a tipping point for his own key policy initiative. it is not just whether the website works or doesn't work, it is people are able to shop? can they keep the coverage and do they finally get better health care? right now obama care is on display and the american people are troubled. >> joe, just to be clear, krauthammer is not saying it is president obama's legacy. this would make people turn away from the american liberalism because it proves big government doesn't work. is he overstating it? >> i don't think he is in the sense of health care. democrats are trying to get health care since harry trumman called for it 70 years ago. so, if it does self destruct, there is no doubt it will set back a key liberal cause i am sure for a decade but it will impact. on the ot
it be a replay of george w. bush never being able to recover from the be backel of katrina? >> president obama has been seen up until maybe this year into his presidency as someone who is detail oriented, cerebral, speaks in paragraphs as a college professor would. and now, as i said earlier, he's become the i don't know leader. and as president bush with katrina, he was the decider. and then what happens? then we had that shot that the white house released from the helicopter of him sitting in a cushy chair looking down on katrina, seeing the millions of people who no longer have homes. and then he said something about the head of the emergency management agency. heck of a job, you're doing a heck of a job, brownie. when it was a complete disaster. moefts moments like this in presidencies can define the second term. >> i want to pick up about the partisans on both sides. let's take a look. these are not just people on the left or the right. let's take a look at what ed schultz had to say on msnbc. >> i think that network reporters throughout the entire industry may be caught in a dilemma that
with different demographic groups, what george w. bush did was able to take his message, i won latinos by a big margin or did better with african-americans than a normal republican candidate would do and make that case in a presidential bid. >> mark murray, we'll keep track as far as clinton and these appearances in the next few days. >>> both new york times and wall street journal report immigration reform stands to become the next issue that divides the republican party, following the infighting over the government shutdown. the times reports a push to bring immigration to the house floor led by business executives and evangelical leaders threatens the party and could have a noticeable effect on campaign contributions before the midterm elections. the article goes on to indicate, several republican executives and donors parts of a lobbying blitz coming to capitol hill said they were considering withholding or had already decided to withhold future financial support to republican lawmakers. they believe are obstructing progress on immigration, the article is the work of eric lip ton who joins
new york times" and authorçó of "days of fire" about the relationship between george w. bush and dick cheney. syndicated columnist george will. fox news political analyst juan williams. the president said this week the website may have problems but the plan is just f1nñ does that mean, brit, once they fix the website, as they say they will by the end of november, that the problems go away? >> i think not. i think we can assume the website will sooner or later get fixed and hundreds of thousands of people will sign up using it. but the test really, chris, and the administration clearly knows this, is whether enough young, healthy people sign up to if you furnish the premium, the money needed for the elderly sick people who need the care. we see two things to suggest that might not be so. one, a lot of signing up going on is for medicaid. medicaid, of course, doesn't bring in any money. it spends money. it is an entitlement. it spends money. the second is all kaoeufrpbdz people are getting -- all kinds of people are getting thrown off their insurance companies. the president made as ex
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>> the number two trender. clinton's callout. >> when president george w. bush, a republican, put that medicare part d drug program in, they had terrible problems with the computers. >> must be an on button somewhere. >> instead of bashing and screaming about how incompetent they were. >> let's not lose our cool. >> tried to help people understand the law and make it work. >> the former president blasts republican i had log. >> putting people first, as opposed to some abstract philosophy. >> and today's top trender. glitch mob. >> millions of americans are visiting healthcare.gov. unfortunately, the site was only designed to handle six users at a time. >> it's very frustrating. it is certainly not what we wanted to be. >> when you become a parody on "saturday night live," it's awful hard to recover. >> i.t., can we get someone from i.t. in here? >> righty's target kathleen sebelius for healthcare.gov's poor health. >> the website was supposed to be the easy part. she has lost considerable credibility. >> absolutely, she should resign. >> this is a woman that has to be fired. >> you're fired. >>
contrast of the george w. bush administration to deliver a freedom agenda sometimes through the barrel of a gun that would bring democracy to a region that has known mostly misrule. that doctrine or its application proved entirely unworkable as the society's freed of their authoritarian shackles had nothing on which to build. we may be relearning this in libya as well. these setbacks and the realization that democracy building is a generational undertaking must not lead us to disengage from the region. the forces freed by the arab spring will not be contained, and i still believe they can lead hundreds of millions of people to more representative forms of government, more economic opportunity and we must hope more tranquility and peace within their borders. the united states needs to help build institutions capable of supporting a transition in the arab world and three dimensions, political, economic and civil society. unmet economic needs are the most pressing. at its heart, the arab spring is the expression of discontent of millions of arabs that sees the economic opportunity that th
a judge in a lower court. there were vacancies back when president george w. bush was fighting. court doesn't have a workload to justify filling the seats. it's what republicans are saying now and add the workload has gotten lighter in the last eight years. one of the judges currently on the bench said, if anymore judges are added now, there won't be enough work to go around. that's from one of the current folks on this court. >> and quickly there are other federal courts with vacancies. >> there are. four of the 13 federal circuits have what are called emergency judicial emergencies, basically it's looking at the case load and how many empty seats there are. this court, the d.c. circuit, is not one of those judicial emergencies. >> okay. we'll follow it. thank you. >>> president obama and former president clinton attended this afternoon's memorial service for former house speaker tom foley. the long-time democrat from washington state died earlier this month of complications from a stroke. foley was 84. we'll be right back. >>> now some fresh pickings from the political grapevine. to
-hm. >> and they want to portray president obama as a dictator? >> well, how about george w. bush lied us into a law thwarting congress that years later we still have men and women dying in afghanistan. if we want to talk about who's a dicktator we need to look at that. ted cruz, if he would read the constitution, a lot of what he preaches is not consistent with what the founders intended in writing the constitution. >> you know, you've been outspoken, abbey, and some other republicans are now calling out tid cruz, the gop called out scott ridgell. and i think that there can be republicans. you and i have had this discussion. i think it's healthy to have a two-party system, but when you're dealing with no programs, all bombasting, personal attacks, it does a disservice to those who really have some substantive disagreements with the president. >> you even have santorum. he came out and said this guy is hurting the party. you look at obama care with the website glitches you would think this would be a blessing for republicans. it masks their identify long cal struggles and allows them to take some co
to say that george w. bush was all hat and no cattle. i think that could apply to chris christie as well. >> you isolate barbara buono in that debate. sound like she should be scoring points? >> the problem is no one really watched it. >> ah. there is that. okay. >> her challenge the whole time. polls that came out this week, shows there are still 30%, 35% new jersey voters don't know enough about her to form a solid opinion about her. so for all that, she has been out on the campaign trail. trying to make her points. and going on the debate. being aggressive with the governor. his staff whether the campaign side or the governor's office they're skilled at creating the narratives. pull. ing them out through social media. youtube videos. he talks over the news media. he is able to go right around us, go right to his constituents. where we might be presenting a more objective version, one rooted in the facts. such as increases, spending increases, tolls are up. property taxes are up. rebates have been cut. the narrative out of his office that everybody is listening to, sandy or generic lea
and founder and a former clinton campaign adviser, and brad blackman, former assistant to president george w. bush. so, the bad apples. it's not the administration, it's not kathleen sebelius, it's the insurance companies who put together these plans that now are not up to snuff? >> well, what the president said was correct, is that there were in this individual market, which is about 15 million people in it, many of those insurance plans really don't cover very much at all, and people think they have more protection than they really do. what the aca does is creates a new floor. and in every case where someone's plan is being canceled, they are being offered, you know, a new plan by the same insurer. these are not cancellation in some ways is not really the right term. that plan is being terminated, new plans are being offered and they have options to go on the exchange. >> but you make it sound like it's automatically the exact same plan, and if it was -- >> no, no, i'm not implying that at all. >> if it was, why is it being canceled? >> no, i'm not implying that at all. and people who have
, that number will not be available until mid-november. >> now we know why. karl rove served under george w. bush and was a senior adviser and assistant to the president. he's a fox news contributor. karl, six. >> we shouldn't be surprised. remember on the 16th of october delaware announced that 16 days into the program it finally signed up its first person. alaska announced as of that day it had seven. wisconsin said we have less than 50. two days later on a friday oregon announced they had zero people who had signed up. that's 18 days into the sign up. zero people who signed up for private insurance plan. south dakota announced it had 23. on monday the 20th, north dakota said we have 20 who signed up in our state. one a day for 20 days. and then they also said the department of health and human services told us not to talk about these numbers any more. don't tell what we got signed up. why should we be surprised. >> we just talked to an insurance rep who said the insurance companies are being told not to talk about it. six. it's so abysmal. the concern is rather great. you can't fill a s
george w. bush. the official also tells cnn the president would have been told which specific countries were being targeted in those briefings. but then, a senior administration official still insists to cnn that president obama didn't learn until recently. so which of these sources are telling the truth? jim sciutto is out front. >> reporter: administration officials tell cnn the spying of loaders of close allies such as german chancellor angela merkle took place without president obama's direct knowledge. a senior official says it's not reasonable to expect that the president would have been involved in or necessarily briefed on decisions about individual intelligence targets. in an interview at the fusion cable network president obama says his administration is reviewing the way it collects intelligence. >> what we've seen of the last several years is their capacities continue to develop and expand. and that's why we're initiating a review to make sure that what they're able to do doesn't necessarily mean that's what they should be doing. >> but he offered this defense. >> the nation
, by the way, that when president george w. bush, a republican, put that medicare part d drug program in, it was more unpopular than the health care law, and they had terrible problems with the computers. >> terrible problems with computers. you see? but never fear. our 30 rock neighbors over at "saturday night live," they got the answers. >> if our site keeps freezing, we've also provided links to other helpful websites, such as kayak.com. where you can purchase airline tickets to canada and buy cheaper prescription drugs. >> now, listen. canada has already given us ted cruz, so i think they've done just about enough. let's get right to our panel. with us from washington is dana milbank, political columnist for "the washington post." msnbc analyst and former are rnc chair, michael steele. and in san francisco, msnbc contributor and president of voter latino, maria teresa kumar. the troubles with the affordable care act website go beyond being parroted on "saturday night live." health sites woes could dissuade vital enrollee, the young and healthy. they write in its worst iteration, it c
about that. everybody has forgotten, by the way, that when president george w. bush, a republican put that medicare part d drug program in, it was more unpopular than the health care law and they had terrible problems with the computers. >> over the weekend, yet another problem emerged with the site. a critical data center was shut down that's managed by verizon's terremark. it all comes as jeffrey zients promised healthcare.gov will be problem-free by the end of november. let me bring in carl bernstein and msnbc managing editor dafna linzer. good morning. >> good morning. >> don't you love bill clinton? oh, that computer thing, it will get fixed. but is he right? should we have expected that the problems that we've seen, carl, would happen? >> no, it's a colossal screw-up. at the same time that does not mean that the legitimacy of the affordable care act is undermined or should be undermined boy this. look, we've got to look at the fact that the republican party has made the central issue of its existence the idea that really health insurance for all people they're against. it's a ba
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for president george w. bush nicole wallace is in new york and msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman, harold ford jr. and in washington "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. >> thank you all for coming in. now we'll go back to talking about baseball. we got some stuff to talk about. we got the president obviously his approval ratings are lower. we were here to see the president. >> on location. >> health care reform. only reason we're here. also kathleen sebelius gave testimony yesterday. it was interesting. >> it was. the problems with the health care roll out along with trouble surrounding the irs, syria and nsa have left president obama with an approval rating of an all time low. a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll finds 42% approve of the job he's doing as president. that's down ten points from when he started his second term. right now 51% disapprove. for the first time in the survey the president's positive/negative rating is upside down, 45% to 41%. public pinto the gop has sunk to a new low. 22% see the party in a positive light.
different than in terms of president george w. bush. >> the obama administration spied on at least 35 foreign governments according to "the wall street journal". they did not deny the spying. the white house said all spying tactics are under review. some have already been canceled like surveillance of german chancellor angela merkel's cellphone. it has infuriated he and severely damaged u.s. relations. a prominent newspaper said obama had known of the spying since 2010. he was informed personally that year. the administration denied that confrontation took place. the mess in europe is now spilling into some corners of congress. >> they don't believe ever listening to the head of state of an ally is appropriate. i would hope the president is as upset as all of us are in congress. >> reporter: some lawmakers say europe needs to grow up. >> if the french citizens knew exactly what that was about they would be applauding and popping champagne corks. it's a good thing. >> reporter: the white house promised merkel the surveillance canada. others want the same rules. >> senior correspondent
and come back. karl rove, former senior advisor, deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush, fox news contributor. good morning to you. you dealt with crisis at the white house for eight years. how does kathleen sebelius either defend her or this program this week? >> well, going to be awfully hard. i think her best defense is to try to keep the focus on we're trying going to try to get this problem solved. look, this morning "the wall street journal" had a piece, there were three groups of people, the people at office of consumer information and insurance oversight, a new office at h-hs planning the website. people at center for medicaid and medicare services, cms, 40 miles away from baltimore, they were planning the website. then we had white house officials who were delaying important officials that had implementation of rules that had real consequences for how you design the website what it can do. we had no one in charge. no one single person was in charge of this. everybody has to agree to the same deadlines and we're going to execute. at the end of the day somebody has to
intelligence committee. do you think the former president george w. bush didn't know? >> i don't know. but i think he might have. i had access, sat in with him on obviously classified briefings, the daily presidential briefing, and i don't want to give anything away that i shouldn't, but i'm not, you know, there were obvious moments when there was information that could only have come from an intercept. we would be let's say preparing for a meeting with a foreign leader, and they would say we have reason to believe the foreign leader has on his mind, it intends to raise at this meeting the following points or following objections to u.s. policy. that could be an intercepted leader or intercept of one of his advisors but there is clearly penetration of a foreign government's internal communications. i don't know. maybe they never revealed that fact in their briefings of president obama but it would be hard, if they had that information and didn't, it's a little hard to understand. >> it's hard to believe that they wouldn't tell the president of the united states, especially as he goes into a
the george w. bush administration. he said it must be independent of outside political forces. >> the f.b.i.'s reputation for integrity is a gift given to every new employee by those who went before, but and it is gift that must be protected and earned every single day. >> during his time in the attorney general's office, comey blocked a wire topping authorization. >> congress will hear testimony from survivors of the benghazi attack. in a tweet lindsey graham said: some republicans are not satisfied with the information they have heard so far about the deadly 2012 attack on a u.s. facility in libya. >> a suspected drone strike killed two members of an al-qaeda linked group in sow mail i can't. the two were struck while in a a car. the men reportedly belonged to al shabab, blamed for the deadly kenya mall attack. drones have been used before in that area. >> members of congress are taking a closer look at the obama administration's drone strike policy today. in fact, they've invited a pakistani family that was victimized by a strike to share their story, but they first spoke to aljazeer
stop trying to make political points, and i'm sitting there thinking if this were george w. bush, you guys would have had -- connell: that's always way. >> they sound so self-righteous when they try to say we're just going to try to make it right. dagen: the spin now is that these plans that people are losing, these insurance plans that individuals are being cut off from where they have to go and buy -- in some cases, more expensive policies. it was the evil insurance companies selling people fraudulent insurance or bad insurance, and then the people who were buying it were too stupid to know that they were getting ripped off. that is the talking point. and i guess they're, the democrats' calculus is that there is such a small percentage of americans, voters who will be impacted in this way losing their insurance and having to pay more, they just don't care. >> well, i think anytime you start talking and saying, calling the american public stupid, you better watch out if that's what you're basing it on -- dagen: not stupid, but duped. >> because the other thing is i was talking to, ag
of president george w. bush. >> the obama administration spied on at least 35 foreign governments according to "the wall street journal". they did not deny the spying. the white house said all spying tactics are under review. some have already been canceled like surveillance of german chancellor angela merkel's cellphone. it has infuriated he and severely damaged u.s. relations. a prominent newspaper said obama had known of the spying since 2010. he was informed personally that year. the administration denied that confrontation took place. the mess in europe is now spilling into some corners of congress. >> they don't believe ever listening to the head of state of an ally is appropriate. i would hope the president is as upset as all of us are in congress. >> reporter: some lawmakers say europe needs to grow up. >> if the french citizens knew exactly what that was about they would be applauding and popping champagne corks. it's a good thing. >> reporter: the white house promised merkel the surveillance is over and will never happen again. she's angered by the u.s. they like to maintain at le
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